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I am facing a high possibility of getting fired from my PhD for violating the terms of my work contract, by taking temporary employment outside of my PhD.

The head of my research centre, my boss, and my supervisor have reported me to HR and even the legal team is getting involved. Part of the problem is likely related to my visa (which did not allow for such work).

Just recently, I have had a call with my supervisor (who most likely reported me), and he suggested that I resign and exit gracefully from the program.

To say that I am devastated is an understatement. I have sacrificed years of my life for this program and have had persevered through various personal and professional difficulties only to be cut short when I am so close to the finish line.

What should I do?

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    What do you consider as "salvaging the situation"? Not getting sued? Staying on good terms with the faculty? Staying in academia? Continuing your PhD? Seeing how you don’t dispute the allegations, it doesn’t look like you have many options. Commented 2 days ago
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    Have you apologized for your actions? Quit your other gig? Commented 2 days ago
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    You have gotten a few good answers. I would just like to generally point out that the severity of this hugely depends on legislation; you might want to double check with an employment lawyer whether specific advice actually applies in your country. Commented 2 days ago
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    @EconsNerd26: Okay, so in addition to having violated your contract by taking an outside job, you've also violated your visa conditions? That's a separate issue, and one that you need to discuss with an immigration lawyer. Even if you could resolve the situation with your supervisor and/or HR, it won't do much good if you get expelled from the country. This is way beyond the level where anonymous internet advice can be helpful. Commented yesterday
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    That you violated your visa conditions should be in your question, not buried in comments. I was surprised why your institute reacted so harshly (in part because my friends in France who did a Ph.D. all had at least temporary outside jobs as well), and it’s probably because they have to if it’s a visa issue. See a lawyer, but I don’t think you can win this one. Commented yesterday

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You violated the rules of your University, which is not insignificant on its own (I disagree with Ben's answer here).

As we established in comments, you also violated your visa rules. This is much more significant, and explains why your supervisor and your University take this situation so seriously. Your visa is granted by the country (France) with specific purpose of studying for a PhD. Your University has a responsibility to the French government to make sure students who came on this visa do not violate its rules, which you did. You did not just compromise your own degree and your own immigration track in France, but also potentially the University's profile, which may make it more difficult for them to secure visas for international students in future. This is why the University is so unhappy with the situation, and your supervisor is so nervous about it.

In your question, you omitted the facts about visa (which you most surely understand). You worried about the consequences on your degree only. You show no concern about the consequences for the University, that may get in trouble with the immigration department. You show no concern for your supervisor, who also wasted this time, and wasted an opportunity to recruit another student who will complete her/his degree and contribute to research. You demonstrate a very self-centred behaviour and no remorse about breaking the rules and the law.

I think you should reflect on this experience and try to become a better person.

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    The additional information that the internship was in a different country from the university makes it unlikely that the terms of the student visa have been violated.
    – Ben Voigt
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    I think your answer is an useful view into the thinking of the wonderful guys essentially killing someone for the terrible crime of making a summer job.
    – peterh
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    @peterh Sorry, killing? This is a blatant overstatement. OP was enrolled at a program, and (presumably) got a stipend and/or a tuition waiver. OP then took a long vacation from their program and took another employment, pocketing two sources of income. Very nice. Now OP is facing the natural consequences of their actions. How does it equate to killing? Commented 9 hours ago
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    @pyrochlor I am familiar with French labor law. I never claimed Uni has ultimate authority. I think Uni is right, but that has nothing to do with OP's character. OP's character shines in: (1) not revealing the visa issues until directly asked, (2) seeing themselves as a victim, when they are fully responsible for the situation, (3) not showing any remorse or care about other people disadvantaged by this situation, such as their supervisor. Commented 9 hours ago
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    @pyrochlor Any immigrant knows how many warnings about respecting the visa rules we receive during the process. Universities have International Departments and basically beg every person they sponsor to ask for advice regarding anything that might impact your visa status. Want to travel abroad? -- check with the International Department. Take another job? -- check with them. The reason why people don't check is not that they don't know they should. They know, but suspect the answer would not please them, so they do it regardless and hope no-one will know. But sometimes it backfires. Commented 9 hours ago
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Most people are not going to have a life-long career in academia. You likely have better prospects outside of academia in several measurable ways: salary, mobility, etc.

It seems you have already been tempted by those options by taking outside work; based on the response I assume that this was intellectual outside work and not menial labor.

If you're going to be kicked out anyways, your advisor is probably right that it's not worth fighting and best to walk away to save both sides the time and money. If you had your advisor's support my answer would be different, but I don't think there is any reasonable path to a PhD without advisor support, however close you are.

Ultimately your own actions are the cause of your current circumstance, not the actions of those who reported your actions. This is a useful life lesson though unfortunately one that is coming with a heavier cost than other ways to learn the same lesson.

edit: With some additional details provided by OP, I would strongly recommend consulting a local lawyer to understand the legal position that OP is in. I do not think this website is a good substitute for legal advice besides the recommendation to get legal advice. I would revise my previous suggestion to specify that "walking away" should be done in the context of a specific legal agreement that protects OP from further consequences to the extent possible.

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  • Thanks Bryan. It is because of my own actions. The cost of several years of my life is just... huge. On advisor support, he has not given me any guidance/mentorship, not for the past half a year already, at least. But I assume you are talking about administrative support? Support to help your student graduate, which is far more important? Commented 2 days ago
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    @EconsNerd26 By advisor I mean the person most responsible for supervision of your PhD; I don't know whether this would be your "boss" or "supervisor". For most people in academia these would be the same person, but sometimes a senior student, postdoc, or staff scientist supervises grad students day to day while someone else is still the official responsible person. By "support" I mean that this person wants you to have a PhD and will work with you towards that goal.
    – Bryan Krause
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    In programs I am familiar with that support would include both literally signing their name on a document that is necessary for you to graduate that says "I think EconsNerd has earned the PhD degree", as well as mentorship in research, publishing papers, networking, etc. I think if you see your time in academia as a sacrifice rather than a joy, then probably academia long-term is not a good fit.
    – Bryan Krause
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    When you apply to jobs in the future, an important part of the interview process will be to highlight everything positive about your PhD experience. Even though you didn't complete your PhD and didn't get the diploma, you still presumably learned a lot and gained a lot of experience, both being an independent researcher and being a member of a team, teaching, supervising students, solving problems, contributing original ideas to accomplish a goal, etc. So, in the future when you apply, don't present your PhD experience as a failure, but as a very relevant professional experience.
    – Stef
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    Excellent senctence: "Ultimately your own actions are the cause of your current circumstance, not the actions of those who reported your actions." Commented 6 hours ago
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[I took] temporary employment outside of my PhD…The head of my research centre, my boss, and my supervisor have reported me to HR and even the legal team is getting involved. Part of the problem is likely related to my visa (which did not allow for such work).

I agree it’s not looking good. Start applying for your next position now to minimize any gap. It may be worth engaging a lawyer as well (both for the visa issues and to help you understand your options with the university).

Just recently, I have had a call with my supervisor (who most likely reported me), and he suggested that I resign and exit gracefully from the program.

I see no upside to doing this. “Being graceful” might simplify your advisor’s life, but it will leave you high and dry. You need to figure out every option for adjudication, appeal, etc; these will depend on your university’s policies. As I said, hiring a lawyer is probably worth the cost. If you are already very close to finishing, it's possible they might let you finish, so I would not resign prematurely. Or, less optimistically, it's possible that agreeing to resign voluntarily might be leverage you could use in a settlement; you probably don't want to give this away without getting legal advice first.

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    Thank you Cag for the advice. Multiple people have mentioned that it is important to fight for completion. I will try my best to find out what options are available to me at the soonest. I'm just very unsure about who to trust given that its my own supervisor who reported me. Commented 2 days ago
  • The have to report you, otherwise they would face punishment themselves! This is no indicator that they are hostile towards you.
    – usr1234567
    Commented 12 hours ago
  • @usr1234567: Are you sure about that? I am not an expert in french labor, civil and criminal law. On what ground will "they" (the supervisor?, the university? someone in the hierachy of the university?) be punished if "they" don't report "it" (what exactly? what specific contract breaches? the visa stuff (which will not be in the contract with the university)) This is a complicated legal matter where the LOCAL jurisdiction is to be adhered to.
    – pyrochlor
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    @pyrochlor I can't speak to specifics in France; in the US, academic institutions are treated by funders (mostly the government) as oversight bodies. That is, when you ask for money as an academic, you actually ask for the funder to give the money to an institution and you tout the institution as being a reliable overseer of research. That includes oversight of the research itself like human or animal subjects protections, and oversight of the researchers like policing conflicts of interest. If OP was being paid a salary while doing a job for someone else, they likely didn't waste the ...
    – Bryan Krause
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    supervisor's own money, they wasted the money of someone that entrusted the institution and the supervisor as an agent of the institution to see that their money is spent appropriately. It's likely a major part of the supervisor's job to report if money is not spent appropriately, even if they rarely need to engage that part of their job. That might include an annual sign-off that the money is spent well. Usually this is a formality, but if it's known that money is not spent well, then they are participating in fraud. Whether or not that's likely to be discovered or punished is separate.
    – Bryan Krause
    Commented 5 hours ago
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Don't just roll over and leave if you want to stay --- fight for what you want

I'm going to give an answer with a different perspective than the existing answer. If your supervisor is indeed the complainant to HR, then naturally he would like to be able to bypass the entire adjudication process and just get his preferred outcome. However, that does not mean that this is necessarily the outcome that the university will come to. The notion that you should give up any prospect of a favourable outcome in the HR process to "leave gracefully" is essentially a request to capitulate to the worst possible outcome a priori.

Perhaps it is a serious infraction to take unauthorised employment in breach of your contract, or perhaps it is something that they will view as a smaller violation that does not warrant removal from the program. I would imagine that your demonstrated progress in your PhD program would have a great deal of relevance in determining the negative impact of an outside job and therefore the severity of having taken one on in violation of your contract. Similarly, issues of financial hardship might be relevant. Personally, I would be surprised if taking an outside job on the sly is such a serious infraction that it would warrant removal from the program (at least for a first offence).

If you would like to salvage this situation, the first thing you need to do is to resolve to bring your case to HR and put forward a case for keeping you in the program. This may entail bringing up contextual factors (e.g., financial hardship that led you to pursue and outside job) and any relevant progress issues (how good is your progress in the program?). Be honest about your progress and the impact of the temporary employment you took on, but also put forward a proposal for how you can make progress in the future and satisfy the requirements of your candidature.

Assuming that you can get through the HR adjudication without removal from your program, it will then be necessary to talk to your supervisor to find a way to move forward with a working relationship. If he was the complainant and wanted you removed from the program then you may need to do some damage-repair, but at the same time, he will need to accept the university's adjudication of the matter and perform his supervisory role. Take things one step at a time and gradually repair the situation, but don't just roll over and leave if you want to stay.


UPDATE: I had not intended to comment on the legal aspects of this question, beyond talking about your HR process, but since it is brought up in comments, let me note a few things. Firstly, it might be useful for you to look up the legal rules for "exclusivity clauses" and "adhesion contracts" in your jurisdiction, and you should feel free to seek legal advice on this matter if you can afford it. Capitulating to "leave gracefully" without going through the regular HR process does not yield any legal benefit to you in relation to your rights as an employee or a student, and it would significantly weaken your legal position, both at law and also in respect to your internal due process rights as a student/employee.

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    This is dangerous advice, -1. Getting fired or "leaving gracefully" is far from "the worst possible outcome". Here is a worse one than just getting fired, and one that is quite imaginable: getting sued over a breach of contract, because OP almost certainly signed a contract that specified not taking outside employment, and they are clearly in breach of that. Their employer may well be fine with just firing them now, but may be willing to sue for restitution of any salary and other expenses paid. Bottom line: don't ask random internet strangers, see a lawyer. Commented 2 days ago
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    Another thing to consider is impact on future employability. Being fired for cause could make it harder to get a new job, compared to resigning. Another question is whether, in either case, they could get a favorable reference from their supervisor or someone else at the university. Commented yesterday
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    @StephanKolassa: If one had to protect themselves from a possible lawsuit for restitution, then one needs to negotiate a settlement, not slink off silently and hope for the best. As you say, getting a lawyer is smart. But that still upholds Ben's answer: don't just roll over and leave. Commented yesterday
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    Participated in the HR meeting at issue does not increase any danger of potential legal action to the student (the danger of which is massively overstated) and nothing in my answer is incompatible with the student seeking legal advice where needed. Reputable universities do not sue their employees as retaliation for them declining to self-fire when internal HR processes are not yet resolved. It is the university that would be in more legal danger than the student if such a thing were to occur.
    – Ben
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    @DanielR.Collins: it's not the "don't just roll over and leave" piece of advice that I find dangerous. I am perfectly fine with that. It's the unqualified (Ben only includes the part about legal assistance in a comment) advice to "fight for what you want", plus the notion that "leaving gracefully [is] ... the worst possible outcome". Commented yesterday
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People are very sensitive to violations of visa regulations. The have to report it to HR and the authorities, otherwise they might lose their job or get punished (fines, jail time). There is no room for personal judgement or additional support for you.

Still, you can return to your home country, lose payment and resources from the your current arrangement, and might be able to finish your PhD. If you can stay with your parents without pay for 6 to 12 months, finish your dissertation, fly to your current university for your defense, it could work. Your current advisor needs to agree and the university needs not end your PhD journey. Talk to your advisor, they might be willing to support you or at least help you navigate the situation.
Another possibility would be, that you find an advisor in your home country, finish your dissertation there, have your current advisor as an external co-advisor and save your PhD.

I don't know what your life goals are, but finishing the PhD was very important for myself. You might not be able to return to your current host country. Nevertheless, you might land an academic or industry job with your PhD in your home country or somewhere else. The PhD is the ticket for success.

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  • I have the exact same sentiments. But it might not be the case that I may be even given the chance to finish my PhD. Its really up to the disciplinary committee and how they view my reasoning. I think they currently view it as a intentional deception, so chances are really low. Commented 12 hours ago
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    Presumably they'd need a visa to fly back and defend. If they've violated the terms of their current visa, there is a good chance that it will be revoked, and that they will find that new visa difficult or impossible to obtain.
    – Ed Daniel
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Morally

Morally, you wanted to work more for earning more. That is nothing morally bad. Except if we substitute "justice" and "moral" with the written characters of the law.

Legal, with the University

Your case with the University and with France are independent from each other. Very likely, France does not even know it. The University does not need to pass this information to the state.

About your case with the University: very likely, you have two different contracts with them. First, you have a work contract with the University, this work contract must close out sidework. If it does not, or it closes out badly (lawyers!!!), they can not fire you on this reason. You also have a student contract (or what is its name). They might fire you from the job, but not from the doctoral school.

You must talk with a lawyer because chances are high that you can save things.

Universities often fear suing them and they will rather allow it.

You stay clearly under a very strong psychological pressure. You must find a lawyer with whom you can talk about your options.

Most importantly, you (as you have written in your now closed post) did not commit really serious.

Legal, with the country

Here you again need a lawyer. Most importantly, because also your employer employed you illegally, and that is his responsibility. Your employer do not want it.

If there would be a court case (99% it won't happen), you could say, the employer said everything is okay. And the court will make the employer responsible, because he needed to know the work law in details, and not you. On this reason, primary interest of the employer is that no trace must remain about your whole work for him.

Fact that the work happened in another country, makes likely that your visa requirements were not violated.

Most likely outcome

The University will probably bow before a legal threat, but they will purge you out anyways.

You will be a temporary resident in the EU with a broken Phd program. That is nothing bad. Here is the time to find your first job here, this time a legal one. You will need to visit some government offices for a work permit as skilled emmigrant.

Believe me, guys without papers et all can do that. And you are a postgrad.

In practice, there is no way to expel you from the EU by force (beside many others: you can just go to Germany and restart this whole thing - there are 35 countries here).

While you are looking for your jobs, you will only show in your CV an entry as "doctoral program, X. University" and so. If they ask, then you answer that you could not end the program because anything. No one will call the University to find this dark spot. Even if anyone would try, they could not even find your former teachers. Anyways, if the University would say anything, you could sue them for defamation and they do not want to risk it.

Best possible outcome

Lawyers will talk and they make a consensus of that they keep this whole thing inside the University. The University makes an internal process where you get some... punishment, for example half year suspension of similar. If you are a high performer, you will get your Phd. If it would happen, you will need to watch your steps until you get the Phd, odds will be that not everyone will like you in the future.

About your University

Clearly you have a very toxic atmosphere. No sane University and no sane workplace does it on this way. You had a serious problem, they find a solution, that would be the ordinary attitude. This "resign or we fire you", and that even your bosses etc are in threat, this is totally abnormal. They consider you an "offender" for doing a summer work, this is a totally non-sense over-aggregation of the reality.

Legal help

Find lawyers! They are not very cheap in the EU. If you can not afford it, find legal helpers everywhere you can. Most importantly, you are in threat of expelling from the EU for doing nothing really bad, that is clearly a case of something might try to help you.

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    I’m trying to understand how you get to the idea that it isn’t wrong to go AWOL from paid and contracted work for 3 months. Do you feel it is somehow different because it was a university rather than industry position? Or because it was summer rather than winter? Or because it was a PhD student rather than faculty position? Commented 12 hours ago
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    @Significance In Germany, that would be a written warning 2 times, then legal firing. He would be actually doomed already from the first warning. But it was a summer job on a French University.
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    @peterh: I agree and without beeing a lawyer, everything beyond that is speculaiton. OP needs a lawyer and less academics way out of their fields with too much confidence ;-)
    – pyrochlor
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    It’s rather out of the ordinary that so many people are willing to take action against the OP and in this form. There is a good chance something happened to upset people that thoroughly. Ignoring the social component and trying to force things is why the OP is in this mess to begin with; pushing on instead of trying to solve things amicably doesn’t look like a winning strategy for what OP wants, even if they might legally win. Commented 8 hours ago
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    "The University does not need to pass this information to the state." Do you have a source for this, or are you conversant with French labor and immigration law? I could certainly imagine there being a legal duty for an employer to report it if a visa worker suddenly goes missing for three months. I am not saying this is the case, just that I find your assertion to the contrary a bit optimistic. Commented 5 hours ago

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